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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 11:22 pm
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Hello, I was just wondering, on average, how much money a bartender makes per month/year..preferably in canadian Razz Thanks a bunch
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:46 am
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Bartenders make a varying amount based on how much fun they are and how hard a customer belives you are working for them. I have made (part time working) 20 000 a year and that figureing in tips sorry thats US dollar I dont know the exchange. Thats b4 I learned anything about flair. I work hard ( well I consider it play hard) for every customer that comes in my bar. After all they work hard for there money they diserve a great fun relaxing place to enjoy themselves. If they believe you are worth it they will take as good care of you as you do them a tip is an honor not a right. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 12:43 am
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most places pay bartenders min wage or just above.....

Tips are something that are not realy talked about.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:31 pm
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OK - tips will vary from place to place. Pay will vary as well.

I manage four bars and all of my bartenders get paid $6.00 an hour, which, I am aware, is high, but I maintain a very profesinoal staff and have very little turnover, so it is worth the extra payroll to not have to train a new person everytwo weeks. In the U.S., I beleive servers minimum wage is something like $2.14 an hour. That is so low it frightens me, but they are expected to generate tips for themselves to supplement that wage up to federal minimum wage which is something like $5.32 an hour (I let the bookkeeper deal with this). If the server does not make the tips to get to this wage, then the employer is responsible for compensating the employee up to minimum wage. I am blessed to not have to pinch pennies so tightly that my employees get screwed, so I pay a real wage.

As far as tips go - that is up to a lot of factors. What are the coustomers like? What are the specials? Is there entertainment? Is the bartender worth tiping?

For example: in one of my bars I run a 2 for 1 happy hour on wells, domestic bottles and drafts. It runs from 2:30 to 6:30, the whole of the Day Shift, seven days a week. I have three diffrent bartenders who cover this shift, and thier tips vary from $20-$100. Quite a diffrence, but they all are very diffrent people. The bartender who makes the least is an older man who no longer want's to barthend but can't find another job. He is a bit on the surly side, hard of hearing and blind as a bat and works monday thru friday. The next bartender is a woman in her 40's, charming, bubbly and FAST! She takes home about $50 - $75 every Saturday. I work the Sunday shift, and bring home about $100. Sunday is by far the slowest shift, but I have taken the time to get to know each and every regular, making them feel special and welcome.

I cover for my staff and have worked every shift in every bar I manage, and let me tell you it can varry drasticly. I work every Friday night at one or another bar, giving tenders time off to enjoy a weekend night once in a while. Recently I worked a band night with a fantastic local band that realy draws the people. I walked with $450 after splitting the tips with the other bartender and tipping %15 to the door staff that also helps clean up. Not bad at all, but you have no idea the rate at which we had to move!

This probably just made things as clear as mud for you, but as many of the questions here, there is no definite answer.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 10:03 pm
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once again I have to say...
DONT talk about tips!

Its no ones buisness but yours...
every where is different....
but still dont talk about it...
not everyone makes the same money....
have some modesty.

Jessikate...do YOU claim ALL the tips you make
on your income tax report????? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 11:51 pm
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what are you talking about there is NOTHING WRONG with talking about tips if someone makes more in tips then you, you should ask your self what are they donig different or better ask them what they do different ! tips are a matter of lively hood and if someone is makeing more then me in tips i would love to talk to them to find out what I could do better. there is no secret that bartenders or anyone in the service indistry makes tips how much will change with location and population but bottom line is a corner bartender can get pointers from club tenders and vica versa
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:17 am
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[quote:957d903102]
once again I have to say...
DONT talk about tips!

Its no ones buisness but yours...
every where is different....
but still dont talk about it...
not everyone makes the same money....
have some modesty.

Jessikate...do YOU claim ALL the tips you make
on your income tax report?????
[/quote:957d903102]

Tips are very much a part of bartending, I certainly did not get into it for the personal gratification, I go into it for the cash, baby. And as far as being modest - once again - that is not a trait that got me as far as I am in this industry, I'll save the modesty for the little old ladies.

Being able to compare what one makes to what another makes is an asset. It helps people decide where they want to work, or helps them adjust their personal style to better suit their coustomer. If you do not wish to discuss tips, then don't, however this is an open forum.

I do request that my staff not discuss thier tips and rate of pay with each other, as it can lead to hard feelings, and they all quite understand, however on an open forum, I see no problem with being able to compare notes.

The funny thing is, some countries have very little for a tipping structure, or none at all - just more proof that everywhere is different.

As far as reporting my gratuities to federal and state taxing instuitutions - of course I do, otherwise I will never be able to receive the rather large loan I am looking at taking out to purchase one of the bars I crrently manage. Tax free money is great, but when it comes down to borrowing money, it's nice to prove that you actualy do have an income that will be integral in paying back a business loan.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 1:55 am
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what the hell are you guys doing . i dont care if you say you report your money or not its rude . but you wouldnt care your so busy trying to prove your better then everyone else you probably never stopped to think of the problems displaying tips over the internet could have for others.WE HERE IN CANADA CALL THAT SELF INDULGED Evil or Very Mad
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JESSIKATE WHAT STATE IS IT WHERE TIPS ARE TAX FREE, CAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I KINDA AGREE I ALSO THINK ITS RUDE TO TALK ABOUT TIPS ON THE NET. NOT JUST FOR OTHER TENDERS BUT FOR THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS IT COULD CAUSE WITH THE GOVERNMENT . I WORK WITH A GIRL WHO CLAMED MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE(ALOT MORE) AND CAUSED A BIG PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JESSIKATE WHAT STATE IS IT WHERE TIPS ARE TAX FREE, CAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I KINDA AGREE I ALSO THINK ITS RUDE TO TALK ABOUT TIPS ON THE NET. NOT JUST FOR OTHER TENDERS BUT FOR THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS IT COULD CAUSE WITH THE GOVERNMENT . I WORK WITH A GIRL WHO CLAMED MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE(ALOT MORE) AND CAUSED A BIG PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JESSIKATE WHAT STATE IS IT WHERE TIPS ARE TAX FREE, CAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I KINDA AGREE I ALSO THINK ITS RUDE TO TALK ABOUT TIPS ON THE NET. NOT JUST FOR OTHER TENDERS BUT FOR THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS IT COULD CAUSE WITH THE GOVERNMENT . I WORK WITH A GIRL WHO CLAMED MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE(ALOT MORE) AND CAUSED A BIG PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JESSIKATE WHAT STATE IS IT WHERE TIPS ARE TAX FREE, CAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I KINDA AGREE I ALSO THINK ITS RUDE TO TALK ABOUT TIPS ON THE NET. NOT JUST FOR OTHER TENDERS BUT FOR THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS IT COULD CAUSE WITH THE GOVERNMENT . I WORK WITH A GIRL WHO CLAMED MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE(ALOT MORE) AND CAUSED A BIG PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Rolling Eyes
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JESSIKATE WHAT STATE IS IT WHERE TIPS ARE TAX FREE, CAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I KINDA AGREE I ALSO THINK ITS RUDE TO TALK ABOUT TIPS ON THE NET. NOT JUST FOR OTHER TENDERS BUT FOR THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS IT COULD CAUSE WITH THE GOVERNMENT . I WORK WITH A GIRL WHO CLAMED MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE(ALOT MORE) AND CAUSED A BIG PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Rolling Eyes
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JESSIKATE WHAT STATE IS IT WHERE TIPS ARE TAX FREE, CAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I KINDA AGREE I ALSO THINK ITS RUDE TO TALK ABOUT TIPS ON THE NET. NOT JUST FOR OTHER TENDERS BUT FOR THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS IT COULD CAUSE WITH THE GOVERNMENT . I WORK WITH A GIRL WHO CLAMED MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE(ALOT MORE) AND CAUSED A BIG PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Rolling Eyes
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I HAVE A QUESTION FOR JESSIKATE WHAT STATE IS IT WHERE TIPS ARE TAX FREE, CAUSE I NEVER HEARD OF A PLACE LIKE THAT. AND I KINDA AGREE I ALSO THINK ITS RUDE TO TALK ABOUT TIPS ON THE NET. NOT JUST FOR OTHER TENDERS BUT FOR THE OBVIOUS PROBLEMS IT COULD CAUSE WITH THE GOVERNMENT . I WORK WITH A GIRL WHO CLAMED MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE(ALOT MORE) AND CAUSED A BIG PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE ELSE. Rolling Eyes
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